{"id":141,"date":"2006-04-11T18:48:14","date_gmt":"2006-04-11T18:48:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.adamsweet.org\/?p=141"},"modified":"2015-07-21T11:12:27","modified_gmt":"2015-07-21T10:12:27","slug":"ogg-in-car-entertainment","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.adamsweet.org\/?p=141","title":{"rendered":"Ogg In Car Entertainment"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>One thing that has been annoying me for a while is that I can&#8217;t find an car stereo that plays oggs. Most of the things that I want to listen to in the car are in ogg format. Thats <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lugradio.org\/\">LUG Radio<\/a>, primarily, but also pretty much every Linux CD ripper rips to oggs. They rip to MP3 too if you have the plugin and I do, but I would prefer to use the non-patent encumbered ogg format. Ogg is quite popular in the hobbyist media area as far as I can tell. I have a friend that uses oggs for his work and he&#8217;s not a Linux user at all.<\/p>\n<p>Why does nobody make a car stereo that plays oggs? OK first up, the market demand probably isn&#8217;t that high, but the ogg codec is free and unencumbered by patents, which means they can put it in without any legal restictions.Ogg also offers the best audio quality for file size ratio. Why the fuck don&#8217;t they? If you&#8217;re developing a device that uses MP3, WAV and WMA then it&#8217;s pretty trivial to include ogg. I want it and I&#8217;m sure many other people do.<\/p>\n<p>Apple don&#8217;t support ogg because they say they don&#8217;t see any demand from their users, well I have an iBook and I want ogg support. I also want a car audio player that does.<\/p>\n<p>The reasons I have come across are these:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Most people don&#8217;t use oggs so it&#8217;s not important<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>It&#8217;s completely free to use and gives users another option. More to the point it creates more market for the manufacturers. Certainly for smaller manufacturers it would boost sales.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Because hardware vendors fear that the only people who use oggs are freeloading music and video pirates.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>This isnt the case in my experience at all, I&#8217;ve never encountered pirated material in ogg format. So far as I am aware pirated material is normally in MP3, MPEG, WAV and AVI format.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Probably nearer the truth is the possibility that most manufacturers are put off as content can&#8217;t be protected by DRM when using the ogg format, which means Apple won&#8217;t go near it and sooner or later, neither will Microsoft or any other fee paying download service.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Let&#8217;s think of this one another way. MP3 has the market for portable media players and In Car Entertainment. There are &#8216;MP3 players&#8217; which play oggs. Not iPods or Creative or anybody else like that, but <a href=\"http:\/\/wiki.xiph.org\/index.php\/PortablePlayers\">there are a number which do<\/a> including devices from Teac, Iomega, Saumsung, LG and Freecom. The illegality of doing tape to tape copying didn&#8217;t stop many manufacturers from selling double tape decks, nor did software developers stop making CD burning software that could copy audio CDs. Nor did the MP3 player market develop in the era of iTunes or a legitimate Napster.<\/p>\n<p>If anyone knows of one, please leave me a comment.<\/p>\n<p>Manufacturers: Please make a ogg car stereo system. Oh and make it affordable \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>One thing that has been annoying me for a while is that I can&#8217;t find an car stereo that plays oggs. Most of the things that I want to listen to in the car are in ogg format. 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